if you imagine the exhibition or the artwork being contained by that room that you're in or in public or on the web



ok katie I will repeat melbourne's question

melbourne asked wether the artistic output would be contained in this room, or on the web or in public

and berlin answered all of the above

katie - the exposition is a summary of all the events that happened

the question we have is if it will happen in different places around the world, does it have to be focused in that room in berlin?

it can happen around the world, we have something specifically coinciding with transmediale it can be in other places as well

I think it should reflect back into this space

what do you do anna?



text and sound

writing a story with all of you on the website

taking the story and finding people to tell it somehow, and record it, you can hear it in different sequences

everybody who is listening to it has his own story out of it, because you don't know in which order

rob; speakers aren't a real problem at the moments

''I'm just thinking if we have a couple of video screens, this kind of exquisite corpse thing, if you have a chinese whispers thing
all these people in different places can have video here, if we wrap all the books and make patterns''

with so much material in there
people will make their own story with it



but what's the concept - apart from the network of artists

are these for webcams going to the space?

so what is berlins ideas? please explain a bit more?

yeah, the concept thing

bianca's is parallel universe - we're talking about ideas splitting off and going in different directions, it would be interesting to see the parallels

yes can we please talk about concept just briefly

exactly

so we dont do it backwards?

I'm living out the back which makes me feel like a spy



rob says we can project performance onto the wall, add it to the library

could the web-cam monitors be embeded onto the library shelves? Or projected on the windows and you could see a performance through those?

definitely

we're liking working with the library - I've been taking ideas from books I find on the shelf for the articles on the wiki

could just be monitor in the bookshelf?!

thats what we are starting to think/talk about now

yes, are discussing exactly that, the video and audio are embedded into the shelves

cool



talking of spys: one of the reasons for going with the library was the idea of the secret back room - where the workings of the whole process (beyond the actual performances) were made manifest

that would work with all the ideas, yeah?

Yes

ywah

with lots of monitors

i reckn (rb)

like the ops room

the van parked out the front

exactly mp

concepts so far: spys, monitoring, surveillance, tourism, travel, home, parrallel universe, consipring (making the audience members conspire together),

(rofl)



who is clive owen??

somaya - yes that all is coagulating

okay - the ideas that i'd started to put together - we're senses of presence

do i exist "here" in berlin, more than i do in melbs...?

talking about trude: I think its a very elite binary we set up between the artists as discoverer of the unique everyday + the tourist who only looks for what they know - what about the other travellers. migrants (speaking of surveillance)

i like jodi's idea

something I saw in an exhibition about the resistance strategies during the war included the kabaret catacombs, and one of the strategies was being 'vague, absent-minded and only alluding to the punchline of a joke' in order to evade interrogation and catpure

thank you :)

i feel like i exist more here, i have better more rewarding interactions etc etc - in online environments

there is a new video on the wiki

lynda, that's what I'm talking about - exciters. but contact mikes actually do exactly the same thing

great

like timecode

i like jr idea

that we all made

split into 4



and i really like the idea of performance for cameras

on the 16th

security cameras

it is easy todo

check fed square site

hold it: is it too early to overlay our chats this with on over-arching concept / strategy? Or better still, a methodology for interaction across time-zones/ locations...is it too early to be so outcome focsed?

i remember you saying something about recording from the back room?

miriam - people who watch the stuff and read the stories can make up their own stories too - bianca, as anna was saying, write their own and make it into a book at the end

I'm recording this now

there is not much time and simpliciy might help us?

agree

but maybe too early to be simple

i like a lot of these ideas

bianca - you're fed all this technology and messages, you filter it and come up with your own

get those cameras rolling! says rob



wiki

I don't think we need a single over-arching concept though

really?

theres a lot of complexity involved in the wiki thats fo sho

I think the multiple concepts and strategies will work well together

yes

chris said something in the forum: how do we decide whos idea is valuble - and i answered...what jodi just said

yes variety!

and we're all going in the same direction - on the same page says bianca - if not at least the same layout sheet with pages on it - rob - or at least the same hyperlinked wiki page

overarching but not one single one

What about something to underpin the fact that we are working in a variety of locations, all working off a single starting point?

if we think of this more as a "group show" rather than single work (even though it is neither) it might help

..but, Katie: isn't this a 'curated' process in some way??

yes katie, really good framework



rob wants high production values and steven spielberg flown in, long lunches

i feel each of these are components feeding a central idea/ideas

yes, yes!

I don't need a hug, keep typing minions - say rob

yes



what is the cenetral idea?

concepts: tourism, travel, home, parrallel universe, consipring (making the audience members conspire together)

so we need to start to fine tune

ultimately it will be up to berlin to present the main outcome?



dsiplacement: in time and space


self referance, split identity

nooooo

its up to al

all

think it will be installed her ebut can be presented in multiple spaces

how?

good question

yeah, but berlin will get most public

in melbourne, online, sydney, brisbane, it's up to you

berlin will be a focus

yes

yeah

ok

i agree jr -its also a chance to find the red thread from the multiple exchange

what about my phone videos?

sure sure sure

what's on them? I wanna see em

can you upload

petty crimes

hell yeah

excellent

are you gonna split the proceeds?

up on the TL site

look at our video on the wiki/ youtube?

just a starting poiunt

will do, haven't checked it out yet, sorry!

bad quality

wiki page called: day

too busy conspiring with philosophers in berlin

ha

heard fantastic lecture by alain badiou last night on art and politics

make an effort

okay

will type up summary on wiki today, interesting ideas about place and art and politics

we're having a side conversation about the room and books, idea 'gone' displacement

i'd like to think about how to integrate the overseas input as multimedia story into the bookshelf

i'm not sure if people want to be involved, but i wrote that script i was talking about.

was in here/library for a few hours this morning and was thinking about the colour/wrapping thing.... again.... and when the books are white and the wall is white then perhaps a good word to make the books into in braille would be "gone"... sums up a lot of the topics

space - the relationship between berlin + the remote people (this is from lynda)

i like the spy thing

surveillance van

top room of the casino

j - from the multiple tangents conversation yesterday, I am interested in drawing out the feedback and noise in the system - esp in relationship to the level that technological issues can displace content or concept in communication ... will edit some sound pieces today and put them up from these recordings..

one of the things I love about berlin as a city is the way these unexpected things converge and people collide into each other and you find yourself in completely random places that are then absolutely not random at all. if that makes any sense. it's a city with a strong morphic resonance

i'd like to record some "transits". i've done it before - in both sound and video contexts

re:place project tie-in?? connect to "conspire"

maybe the way in which we contextualise it

can we have some kind of data exhibition, wher eall the data is exhibited at various sites in different ways?

there are alot of different concepts coming from berlin about remixing the vid and sound from teh tones and the script and putting in back in teh shelves

and different times

jodi you still wanna do that improv thing?

idea of the the video peices embedded in the shelves is cool

i'm up for it if anyone else is

if not we could go back n forth?

and sound pieces as well - possibily from different spatial locations

so basically - berlin / melb / syd contains draws on all of the different tangents of contents without trying to make a single work

other thing: rather than trying to all agree on a single idea to push forward with 15 people, the idea of multiple conspiracies and collaborations between the cities.

lynda - the micro fm thing would be great in the shelves

sumu are you upfor exquisite corpse improv?

miriam and rob were talking this morning about the video text... including things from postcards, wiki, skype chats etc. over 4 hours so you can never read it all - for the monitors placed in the shelves, specifically, but can be adapted twisted warped to other purposes

maybe performance with different channels + radios people could tune?

yeah like the multiple conspiracies

text stream to vid in bookshelves great

we also making a recording of skype beeps

AUDIO BOOKSELF CONT:5 minute sound fragment from each location from each personal experience - a detail about what makes that different from the unform transitory loop that is trude? Collated onto the Google maps and overlayed onto one uniform map to the same scale - possibly this is projected onto the book shelf itself?? The books could be arranged in terms of author location (even if they are wrapped an invisible??)

but we might not tell you....

how we peice together

i do 9 min improv (sparse) in melb, send to jodi who plays back and adds, sends to you

the books are looking good in morse configuration,

but has to go through the air in each space

we are lining up the projector to door

stereo

it'

it's a small room, taking a while

multi channel...

multi taskin

what about virtual presences

so that say michael and i can have a whole "conversation" with our actions (like your script)

had another idea for audio delivery, playing some of the sound from the story bianca is starting - see forum on trude machine built to excavate hence underground theme - anyway, playing the sound that evolves from that through one of the pipes in the room

another audio source from spy and process recordings through window

MORSE: My dad is a morse code operator and I can create audio from the morse code books - even take it the air on ham radio??

and more in the speakers in shelves, and through radios

i did 2 recordings of room silence which are posted

this is braille says rob

but we could do morse code too

variation is good - braille to morse to audio would be nice, different codes

silence and braille....nothing to see here!

different conspiracies

somaya + mp - i liked the idea of trying to hold a conversation through the drop outs and the glitches until the story breaks

so tell sydney what you seeing berlin

yes please

I set up some background architecture wiki pages to hold bits of skype for linking to text last night, will start to weave them in

do we want to have a series of stylized gestures and movements between the layers of video in different places.. or something more random?

we are filming bianca in front of the projection with miriam and melbourne now

so how will we structure this video stitch?

as above - Model of space then reprojecting via survelience cameras over the space using light as a structure (a project I did last year). Based on Mc Call. Chatting to Katie about Ben & TJ's Transit Lounge pieces from last year....

Mc Call is sort of extended cinema but not really. Had a series of works called solid light.

so now we have the frame for the vido stitch what do we do with it?

Michael - it is toytally live - using the survellience camera in the space to log a spoken word artist in the space that was bound to a corner

posted to the wiki?

it will be sparse


by 'played thru air' do you mean on speakers, not just into an audio software thing in the computer

tops

michael, wondering what your ideas are for the sound elements you've scripted.... to have them all played on separate speakers in the space, or mixed together in the end... any other sound delivery preferences?

yes, cool, will play your improv into the air as I record the new parts - waiting for rob's speakers to arrive... fun!!

is there anything else from the agenda we can discuss now, while waiting, and can be picked up and commented by anyone who isn't here thru email or forum?

on that michael - we now have lots of people with sound ideas for the space so we are going to have to work something out between everyone. we were thinking of having performances throughout the week but as for installed sound...we need to talk to lynda and bianca

how does video skype work?

what kind of performances through the week? I'm aware of that thread, but the content or people who are planning to do something are still a mystery to me

not sure how skype video works, in theory you can hook up a camera and skype will make video calls - so I have new version now and can receive them, but no idea how to send

I'm just a conceptual sound artist ;)


michael, wondering what your ideas are for the sound elements you've scripted.... to have them all played on separate speakers in the space, or mixed together in the end... any other sound delivery preferences?

from jodi

i thought

yes

would be mixd as soundtrack to

mmmm

multiple/ split monitor video from script

or whatever

ah sehr cool

what do you think?

so you want it as soundtrack to the split video?

yes

works for me, how bout anyone else?

i dont mind

another means for juxtaposition

'but slightly more abstract

like 4 screen thing but 4 channels audio

(or 8)

or 8

you wanat 4 channels audio?

sounds good - but there are lots of things going into the videos - annas stories that she is developing with som and some text coming through - so it won't be purely your thing
sorry, don't think can be 8, as there are still 3 other sound works to set up too

i guess there will be 4 stereo recordings?

'would like to start devloping some convergences with the other sound / vide work.

but we can take bids! you can have 8 track in melb!!

its only a small room!!!!

with the script stuff - i imagined just one realisation per city

I noted the sound elements in item 10. on the agenda by email last night, think we really need to clarify what people want to do so that the equipment can be booked.

i mean mixed into stero

not 8 discrete channels

on headphnes or speakers?

either

whatever is available/better for the overall

but just so it is obvious that the 2 are linked

sound and video

everyone planning things with sound needs to engage discuss it today, so we can negotiate the aural space... I like speakers for the sound/video

and photos

wasn't thinking of using headphones in here at all

okay

i like lynda's idea of the micro fm transmitters

speakers good

yeah

i think that anna thought of headphones. I don't like them personally - would rather negotiate and fight for aural space + I like lynda idea

but don't know how hard it is to set up

me too

but contact speakers thru window, and pipes, the idea of micro fm transmitters - of which we have 0 currently to my knowledge

the micro fm transmitters can be tricky, I did the installation with them last year

we can afford a couple. we have to negotiate what equipment etc we get - we still want to give artist fees at the end.

if home made they had to keep being tuned, if shop bought have 3 fm settings and som eof them are already on commercial radio, so think that idea needs to be streamlined

cool, and if we get two I think that would be plenty.

I don't know, who wants the improv sound next?

sumu? anyone?

ok improv sound

smoonah sorry was off track

Sumu- says yeah

so we mentioned performances before with the stiching

if there was someone to set it up at the gallery

well, it might not all be possible... think it's good brainstorming

and if the gear was there

i'm so so sorry

we were thinking

yes, who and what are there performances?

I thought that maybe some of these plays with the two rooms could happen after the opening on the 31st - at a time that is better for melbourne

if the image gets progressively degraded


tisch tennis?

a large , colourful prop

sure thing, like that progressive time katie

a giant rabbit?

large red ball

i don't know what the performances are - somaya and michael have mentioned something + same with lynda

conversations?

object be passed through videos

with time glitches?

make believe

the image should get progressively degraded - given that if you encode the stream there .... it will massively degrade

i have a few ideas for the performances

I was going to say a big red ball michael

like a basketball

you can send us the mooooooon!

i was going off katie's invisible thread -

yeah the moon!!

moon not up yet

i like the idea of progressivve recorded performace/interaction accross timezones

and also from micahels script

bouncing the moon from city to city.

we could pass the camera

how romantic

pulling each other on/offscreen with invisible threads

if we pass the camera between frames

hope springs eternal ;)

thats cool

i think some reappearing motif

it ties in a few ideas at once

som, can you explain how we pass the camera btwn frames?

i agree with michael, something simple we can all get

def reappearing motif is important

the performances would be melb - berlin - syd can't do it past the 31st excpet as content provision

I'm not performing

ehhe

i think thats been my problem so far - is that there are too many ideas going on

YES YOU ARE

no way baby

u try get her to perform

i am remixing, composing and installing

pull some strings

something real simple

just no live performance. move along. nothing to see here.

she was standing *behind* the camera while i undressed in the snowy sleet the other day

:)

someone else can do it, chicken

I can direct

what was melbs thinking when they said take jumper off and tie around waist....

there are 7 people here

in theory

like its tropical here or something...

?

anyway, what is the thing that will tie all this together?

i added a thread for Transit Actions ideas

I mean, the object.

but i wanted to add a few scenes to michaels script

we

oops

we have shot the 3 scenes and i've captured them off tape

awesome!!

I am remixing the skype conversations into abstract texts

cant wait to see

how exciting

have rendered 2

tops

which they already are, pretty much. and posting them on the wiki soon

cant wait to read

cool, new scenes

how far did u get with the agenda while i was snoozing...

pc

ok

the peoples computer

thats what u think...

I want to think about how michael's video can be taken over with some of the storytelling stuff

they all work against the people

i agree

nowhere


anna and i brainstormed how the video and story writing could go togeterh

so the video could be one rendition of an excerpt of part of hte story

against the people?

and the narrative continues across other mediums

...

so the 3 scenes i want to do in berlin are:

• kastanianallee

I'm trying to entice people to think about how to remix sound into various delivery options... thru windows, pipes, radios, speakers... this can probably be defined later but does need some thought now

the toilet

• underground (which is what anna's story is about)

vastly underused

the toilet...

jodi - I think that should be developed along with lynda sound into one thing somehow

i was actually thinking of a sound installation in there

well there is also anna and bianca working with sound

aka Sumu stylee

sumu launched tl toilet in 2006

like a personal listening chamber

yep

and somaya

yeah!

water sounds trransmitted in the wc

the toilet rocks

anna and i wanted to install sound at the subway

really low tech style

old tape recorder with inbuilt speaker

except you never know when you are ginished - you still need to go

and batteries

hey, when can we try this stiching cities....?

good question tania

i'm very very sorry

sounds nice, but there are still 5 discrete sound works so far to integrate into the space or mix together into various formations

but if its too hard to get into the subway

its collaboration - maybe discreet needs fisty cuffs

then we put a sign there

and it directs back to the toilet

somaya was that with kastanienallee michaels script thing?

yes

and also underground

yeah I know it's collaboration, but so far everyone is coming up with more ideas and they're not being very integrated

i added some ideas to forum

guess it will happen once we all start swapping and remixing the sounds


yeah

we're doing space with out anything and side project of spaces with improv

we do it all here

will we?

eh?

how

somaya- is this recording yu posted just berlin or meb in berlin

?

just berlin

we got no speakers here

oh

how ill alvin work?

you could rec berlin in melb if you like

so, let me think, is one sound-thought-path connected to the script from michael, whats the other one?

oh yeah

good idea

see how it ends up differerent from melb in berlin in syd in bris in perth

where the hell is perth and bris??

the audio with script is one, the space of the room only is two, the room and improv is three

the sound from underground story is four, the micro fm sound piece is five

where the hell are they???

no idea?

the sound of process in the room thru window is six

they're in production

het thats lots

text from books, wiki, emails, skype jumed out of the books - which are now in braille and white - into the monitors

silvia is going to stitch - analog style

installed in the shelves

think mm said we have 8 monitors? from memory

ok

8 monitors

but not sure whats going to send the signal to them...

lack of computers here

also


encore


can you assign 2 of monitors for those 2 projects?

hm

problemo


so bookshelf has white books spelling out the text "where is now" in braile

script action is better in contrast?

amongst the braille are monitors playing scenes from michaels video

and other monitors with text from the books (miriam)

ok cool

on the wall 90degrees away from the bookshelf is the projection for stitched cities

so a bookshelf full monitors, michaels script and miris th

stitched cities on the wall

that sounds about right

sound in toilet

randomly in the room is me - doing strange live re-enactment of michaels script (can we call this "waiting for videot?")

sound in the window, sound in the pipes

sound could be with monitors too - in headphones for each one

if you stumble around the room you will find sound (not sure where it all is) yet

sound in radios on the shelves also

i think video should be without sound

michael asked for video with sound

for the scripted ones anyway

ok, the performance for stitched cities leans on michaels script but is not like the whole thing overlayared,..?!

yep


yes - leans on

scripted ones on monitor with headphones?

so i might get caught re-enacting a video - but it gets projected into stiched cities instead

so it begins to be layered...

i think that be too much

carefully

or scripted ones on monitor with sound thru speakers in the room

so as not to create too much chaos

careful with chaos

the sound can be on 2 or 3 cd's - so could change different pieces thru the day/eve

not all at once

jodi jes

hold on - brb

once we have material to work with will be easier to decide how it works...

projection i'm more worried about to go chaos

yeah, but as we said we work with what we got is good to visualise, does not mean it won't change, especially over distance/remote

makes it more clear for who's not there...

i gotta do the streaming test

should we doi ftp later?

and then i gotta email my friend bryan to see if he can run multiple streams

today - not right now

what i might need from melbs

ok sure thanks

yesp


we were talking tonight about how many different sound pieces they are and how we can start to pull some of the ideas together

mmmmmm codes

that way other people can see and maybe add their input

thought that codes work with Rob's braille idea

ah - a few of us were talking about the braille idea and thinking that maybe another option for the wrapped books might be good. Like a code that directly referenced the sound that was hidden in the bookshelf.

that sounds cool too

I also thought that given lynda's idea of the worn transmitters (we still need to talk about how the tech works) it could be great to compose loops but then pull them apart spatially.
um...i don't think that makes sense

so the bits of the composition actually occur in different parts of the room with different loops becoming stronger with proximity.. oh so your loops and codes was a live thing?

yep

I think it would be great to have things on other nights in there...encourage people to return
but it can be recorded and installed too



or maybe performed to the installed stuff?

about different things

using sounds from the installed stuff

I don't think that we will have live link ups to syd and melb on other days - just because of the time difference

yes. I was thinking of using peoples sound and feeding in into my loop pedal
just having people send me their sounds and maybe mix in the sound of the live room too

maybe yours could be the last step in the exquisite improv...

I can simultaneously run sounds in protools and then feed them as I choose, adding them to the loops to make up kinds of codes

yeah ok

still not sure about what you mean by codes?

well, like morse codes. I'll collect snippets of sounds that will build up slightly rhythmic/atmos loops which may sound like some sort of coding

especially if it includes snippets of different sounds, languages etc.

sounds of silence, cities, industries, people, whatever people are collecting or decide they want to submit. Or I could just record sounds and use my own. It's up to everyone...

I can record the demo I do this weekend and post it for you all to hear

so with the video of the extended spaces we were talking about prerecords with the video sent on and projected and refilmed - so that the spaces were connected in disjoinited time, but there was also degradation of signal through the refilm - the loops became physical...

I'm not sure I want to be a focus point though - I do want to do it live, but not sure if I want everything to stop and focus. More like just building atmos

not sure what you mean katie

I was trying to draw spurious links between the sound and the video ;)

yep ok

i've missed a bit of the video stuff the past few days, but i think i get ya

the thinking now is to play with prerecorded stuff and pass it around the different cities rather than try and link them live.

not related at all...sorry

ok, do you mean with sound too?

their stuff is without sound...i was trying to think through conceptually how a live loop and this delayed video pass the parcel might be similar, but i tied myself up in knots...lets start again

in terms of being a focus...

maybe it can relate to how the sound is played through...or you could be surveilled playing in the secret back room...just appearing visually on a small monitor in the space or...

im back now.... jeeeeez, got some readin to do before I catch up......

we were also thinking about how we could be survielled in our sleep and actually hiding the monitors so they weren't on the selves.

Katei, I'll show Miriam this weekend and then you guys can decide if you want to use the idea and how/where you want to place it

k

see ya, talk soon.

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